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vijaykarthic



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:02 am    Post subject: Concluding Motive behind Stalking,Targetting,MindControl etc Reply with quote

In this topic we shall discuss the reason why anyone should do gang stalking, Mind control, electronic harassment or targeting particular people.

Any and every happening in this world has a reason or motive behind. Lets find the reason why our lives are destroyed for no deliberate reason.

Though concluding without complete knowledge may give us wrong conclusion, let this be the beginning for further analysis.

I would like to advice that we shall analyze the Motive by listing all possible rational reasons behind targeting. Once we are done with listing, the Motive behind the targeting becomes clear for us.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ill do a first fast answer to this , but keep in mind that this is a not so easy problem and on the etics of this technology is much discussion possible

how to avoid that new technologies are used for benefit of humanity and not only for the rich for instance ? how to reach that law regulates this fast enough to be in time before this is used for commercialed pupose, it can make you eat for instance non stop , imagine !
and how this stuff would look being the subject of an armrace? and how to garantee that its not being abused (by making it public ofcourse, but that is not all) this experiment shows at least how dangerous it is, and what i do appreaciate and half of the targets do , that at least now they are informed , i was in shock but aswell glad to know
letting a machine decide to use it towards a long term goal maybe is safer than making decide our politicians, i do believe the machine decides by itself indeed, even though its very smartly programmed , but not neceserally by bad people , if you have to choose between making politics decide, wrong decisions and abuse, or making it public as a school for everybody in the world and directed to that goal on long term so that people can think about it themselves , maybe putting it in practise is not such a bad thing, it raises very new etical questions and can not be uninveted , so we now at least know, and can learn many things by it as well, lets hope for sake of humanity , this will be a shocking but positive step into future .....

have some ideas on this iand its a not easy question especially why some and not all, i will surely try to answer this in the topic , but i am sure that you will find out over time by listening and wathching others yourself, thinking about the dangers of this technology ect ect , it is a historical event for sure, and i wonder if this technology ever could be safe if just spreaded around commercialised , being subject of an arms race and not be controlled by something that is going one way , the singularity lets say, and consequently goes behind long term goals , humans are not really able to do so especially not if such new situation arises, imagine how long would take to change the law for instance , and what kind of debates on individual freedom of using it would be, were is the limit to freedom, well i do believe that removing fear is basics for freedom, and i do seem to think that this is what the technology is indtending to do , make us free, does this sounds as a paradox ? maybe we need to know precisely what is making us unfree, to be able to remove our chains, the amygdala is the part of our brain responsible for fear , but interesting is THAT WE ARE NOT , OR SIMPLY CANNOT BE CONSIOUS OF THAT BECAUSE OUR BRAIN WORKS THAT WAY AND OUR DECISIONS IN LIFE FINALLY ARE BASED ON THAT AMOTIONAL FEELING OF SAFETY , finally our decisions itself are an unconsious process, we only become consious afterwards and trying to explain why we did so, therefore we dont feel eveen if our behaviour is remotely controlled and will explain it as our own , dangerous toy isnt it ? Why not all, ? maybe the panic would be to hight ? and also there is specific reasons i suppose on the targets being often high educated , or fearfull from katolic or other conservative or too strict education, or just subjects of emotional abuse , this is what i have in mind ....ill post this on the forum too , and more details on that afterwards as well , the stalking too , this is a different problem, it shows how our perception by the way is collered by emotions , and how we othen think people act violent towards us by pupose , also its a way of deception , victims accusing their neighbors sounds very incredible ofcourse, the technology goes unnoticed, i hope it will learn us to think independedly as humans, its a good lesson not to trust for instance what a pschiatrists says , because as we see, they all are wrong ., they all say we are crazy

i am trying and to organize and to write my thoughts on this down
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ps keep in mind, people are NOT organzed to stalk you, they are remotely controlled, so you can imagine the cyber guided soldier ! dangerous toys indeed, but do send your stalkers away, that is a good thing ofcourse , dont be scared of them , and if they do any violant act defend yourself, or if its too extreme call police, dont confuse them with the technology IT IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ! they are the puppets , notthing but that .... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Concluding Motive behind Stalking,Targetting,MindControl Reply with quote

vijaykarthic wrote:
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Any and every happening in this world has a reason or motive behind. Lets find the reason why our lives are destroyed for no deliberate reason.

Though concluding without complete knowledge may give us wrong conclusion, let this be the beginning for further analysis.

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indeed your second statement is extremely correct , we cannot say definitively anything without knowing more about it , the danger indeed of JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS

but look now at your first sentence ....i understand ofcourse why you say so , you feel bad and indeed somting unasked has happened to you?
BUT ARE YOU SURE IT DESTROYED YOUR LIFE ?
one moment now, is not your life, you have your past , but ALSO YOUR FUTURE AND DONT STICK TO IDEAS OF A SUCCESFULL LIFE YOU HAD because they can be so wrong , and you can BECOME STILL SO STRONG AND SO HAPPY , that you should not take the situation now , as definitive and fact for the rest of your life, maybe you will be more happy after , than ever before , i do know this may sound disturbing to someone who is just targettted and sufferes like hell and is pissed off on this , that is very understandable , but realize that now that you are angry and despered , your opinions are very much coulored by that, ask yourself first what did it destroy? is that really destroyed? ect ect , its happening to many many people , it wont be secret for ever , that is for sure ....and bringing it out a way that it is convincing needs time, the same is the case for seeing the big picture of what it does to you, what you can learn and who you and others are ....try , i apprieciate that you are asking questions, that is the very good start ! Wink

very kind greets Monika
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My opinions about the reason behind of the organized stalking are:

1. Law enforcement and local informants in need of people to get convicted in order to get promotion. In the book, FBI: an agent's expose describes how FBI agents work by convicting the people on the black list. If they are motivated as their jobs to do so for the good of their country or the local area, they would work hard to harass the target.

2. Practice for the law enforcement, government agency, and P.I.s. - They need practice targets in order to train newcomers in their covert operation. If they have the certain targets in their practice, they would use them for long-term exercise and keep them away from idoling period.

3. Keep a scapegoat for any crime their member commits. If the perps need someone to be convicted for their covert operations including assassination, they might keep an eye on the target so that they might find the way of target someone else for their crime. If a crime happened near where the TI visit, the perps can spread the rumor about the possible suspect while keep the blame away from their criminal member. I think this would work as they have "mafia" members in their organization.

My opinion about mind Control and other methods are:

1. Covert operation in expanded space than inside of cult warship. The CIA and other intelligence agencies have been helping mind control and other manipulation researches. They might have finished their practice within cults or closed space, and now they have to do the research in the open space such as city or the planet level due to the satellite communication advantage.

2. To make covert research easier without informed consents. This is the same reason as how RFID tags were implanted into UFO abductees. If the researchers want to ask for volunteer, they would get protesting against the research from the public. By doing it against certain socially-unnecessary-looking individuals, they have less risk including exposure to foreign researchers or health effect on the individual. MKULTRA was done in the same way but in the closed place, inside of hospitals.

3. Lebensraum - the political and economic advantage for the chosen few. By controlling the mass with their technologies, the authorities can avoid any unpredictable conflict that would threaten their position. In case of war, the mesmerize of the public is important to get enough solders and support for the war. I think the Japanese Self Defense Force is engaged in this as they are looking for the new recruits for military expansion.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:14 pm    Post subject: Off the top of my head Reply with quote

Celebrities are gang stalked by paparazzi/press. I think we should focus on this.

1. They are rich, and good at what they do.
2. The stories are of human interest, and people relate to them.

Therefore I would say, if everything has a reason, the prime reson is ENVY. I couldn't draw parallels with non-celebrities at the moment, I'll leave it to you girls and boys.

P.S.

Oh yes, mind control. The suspect would be poor, unable to fend for himself, when in competition with the Secret Services (whatever country), and could be used for Nazi (a lot went to America) style human experimentation. Getting emotive, yes they are Nazi pigs, extremists and scum.

There opinion given. Opinions are like ars*holes - everybody has one, LOL.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen an estimated 5 percent % of Dutch population implanted
that is approx. 800.000 people in NL alone.

the high flyers of these 5 percent become unaware but fully manipulated puppets for their hintermen.

the low flyers guineapigs and enslaved henchmen for their handlers.

You can be all at once of course, guinea pig of some sort, handler to your own family and henchmen to your neighboors. whatever
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:15 pm    Post subject: Some insights on Targetting Reply with quote

On my analysis I believe that the gang stalking, electronic harassment and others are just tools used by the law and enforcement agencies to perform prevention or interventions or etc. These tools which don’t leave any evidence which is admissible in the present day court around the world are good opportunity for the law and enforcement agencies to control or disable the targets who cannot be prosecuted by the law. By this law and enforcement agencies can control or disable the targets by the pain incurred on them, this makes them easy targets for the law and enforcement agencies. Under the state of pain and disorientation of targets the law and enforcement agencies can perform easy investigation or prevention (if they believe that the targets are threat to the security).

Since the tool is very effective (that is, there is no legal obligation or limitation) the law and enforcement agencies can use this tool on targets those who are classified as potential threat, even the evidence of threat are not appreciable. The law and enforcement agencies can use the tool on any number of people given that the people are classified as potential threat. This makes even the innocent people like us to be the victim of harassment (non conventional torture).

Apart from the above advantages when target appeals to the government that the person is undergoing harassment the government labels the person as paranoid to suppers the appealing person from future appeals. These appeals might attract the attention of media and popularly become a conspiracy of the government on its own citizens. Hence government suppresses the appeals. Further it is the government (the law and enforcement agencies play a dominant role in the government) who does the harassment and when the victim appeals to the government it rejects the appeals in many forms (judistriction becomes biased on government). To disorient the public and the targets of harassment, the government makes them believe different irrational conspiracy theories and the irrational conspiracy theories being the reason of the harassment. This disorientation takes the consensus of targeted individuals away thereby preventing a combined action by the targeted individuals against the harassment.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:06 am    Post subject: Difference between the Paranoia and Targeted Individual Reply with quote

Can anyone take research or case study of finding the symptoms of Paranoia?

Normally the common response to the Targeted Individuals appeals is categorized as Paranoia. If we research on the symptoms of Paranoia, we can claim the validity of our appeals accordingly. This will help us in proving our stand.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You emailed me requesting my comment ? This is curious?
In any event let me give you the full 100% proof of the situation.

No. This is no police action. It is 100% proof NWO action and activities.

I made a post here at FEDME


STOP THE NWO; the large scale view +

This is some of the major points:
( each word was carefully chosen)

1. The NWO is this sort of techno-fascist- techno-manipulation form of government, along with a religio-techno-fascist underpinning or justification, if they can get away with it. In the West and maybe even globally eventually, it will also have a false democratic, false choice façade, since most candidates will be/ are NWO. The gullible will just be choosing between factions.

2. You can say the REAL NWO answers to an NWO Politburo, for its head operates as a Politburo , with members, senior and junior from al across the globe, and answers only to itself. [ Or so it thinks. For we are, WE the People, from the Magna Cart on down]

They key to the NWO’s “techno-fascist- techno-manipulation “ is its global mind assault /mind invasion/ body invasion/ nervous system invasion apparatus. We ( many of us) are completely convinced that this apparatus consist of a fleet of about 70 special satellites and ground stations using highly advanced phased array technologies in the giga or tera wave band, and this gives them this assault/ invasion capability as stated. It also gives them total 24/7/365 global coverage of the entire planet with time shares to be doled out to their agents in any country as these satellites pass over such territories.

3. So these things are all real. They have spent-a lot of “think-tank” time thinking about how to do it, but it is being implemented by Fascists.
So it is doomed to be a disaster. A fully avoidable waste of human life, human potential, human resources and a all round mess. This always happens when such people over-reach.
Hitler ., Stalin.. those are a some of such people who over reached.

3. They have tons of agents trying to run interference throwing up diversions from the Truth.

So this “just tools used by the law and enforcement agencies to perform prevention or interventions or etc..” is just another diversionary tactic.

This is all criminal activity ( OUTSIDE the law) of the NOW who will also use legitimate law enforcement” for their illegal activities. IT is against International Law ( Conventions) and every Western country has enforceable laws on the book against all this activities.

OK agent vijaykarthic ? So do not try putting out this crap!!

See you at the Hague within 5 years. And like at Nuremberg, they will be civilized enough to provide you with lawyers when the civilized people have again re-taken the civilization they shaped.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: Concluding Motive behind Stalking,Targetting,MindControl Reply with quote

vijaykarthic wrote:
In this topic we shall discuss the reason why anyone should do gang stalking, Mind control, electronic harassment or targeting particular people.

Any and every happening in this world has a reason or motive behind. Lets find the reason why our lives are destroyed for no deliberate reason.

Though concluding without complete knowledge may give us wrong conclusion, let this be the beginning for further analysis.

I would like to advice that we shall analyze the Motive by listing all possible rational reasons behind targeting. Once we are done with listing, the Motive behind the targeting becomes clear for us.

THE FROG AND THE SCORPION
Once upon a time a frog was sitting at the river bank. And she spyed a
Scorpion moving towards her. 'Oh, Mrs Frog, nice to meet you! Could
you help me to cross the river on your back, i'v got a business on the
opposite side?' The Frog: 'No, i know you have a stinger and stinging is
your nature...' Dear Frog,' Scorpion answerd, 'i have very important
business there and that's in my own interest to get there safely with you.
If i sting you, we shall be drowned both!' That seemed convincing to
the Frog. She took the Scorpion upon her back and swam. Right in the
middle of the river the Scorpion began to sting the poor Frog! 'What are
you doing?! You'd promised... We're sinking!'-screamed the Frog.
'Yes'-said the Scorpion, 'But you'd noticed yourself that stinging is in my
nature. And i can't help it'.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: Concluding Motive behind Stalking,Targetting,MindControl Reply with quote

Dmitry wrote:

THE FROG AND THE SCORPION
Once upon a time a frog was sitting at the river bank. And she spyed a
Scorpion moving towards her. 'Oh, Mrs Frog, nice to meet you! Could
you help me to cross the river on your back, i'v got a business on the
opposite side?' The Frog: 'No, i know you have a stinger and stinging is
your nature...' Dear Frog,' Scorpion answerd, 'i have very important
business there and that's in my own interest to get there safely with you.
If i sting you, we shall be drowned both!' That seemed convincing to
the Frog. She took the Scorpion upon her back and swam. Right in the
middle of the river the Scorpion began to sting the poor Frog! 'What are
you doing?! You'd promised... We're sinking!'-screamed the Frog.
'Yes'-said the Scorpion, 'But you'd noticed yourself that stinging is in my
nature. And i can't help it'.


I know someone just like this from a previous job. I would always use this ananlogy to describe him. He always did the stupidiest things, but it was his nature, and it would never change, and the association was one that would likely bring everything down, but when you asked why, it would be because it's my nature. Or what did you expect. Not much, a scorpion can not change it's sting, or a demon it's opposition to light.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JB wrote:
My opinions about the reason behind of the organized stalking are:

1. Law enforcement and local informants in need of people to get convicted in order to get promotion. In the book, FBI: an agent's expose describes how FBI agents work by convicting the people on the black list. If they are motivated as their jobs to do so for the good of their country or the local area, they would work hard to harass the target.

2. Practice for the law enforcement, government agency, and P.I.s. - They need practice targets in order to train newcomers in their covert operation. If they have the certain targets in their practice, they would use them for long-term exercise and keep them away from idoling period.

3. Keep a scapegoat for any crime their member commits. If the perps need someone to be convicted for their covert operations including assassination, they might keep an eye on the target so that they might find the way of target someone else for their crime. If a crime happened near where the TI visit, the perps can spread the rumor about the possible suspect while keep the blame away from their criminal member. I think this would work as they have "mafia" members in their organization.

My opinion about mind Control and other methods are:

1. Covert operation in expanded space than inside of cult warship. The CIA and other intelligence agencies have been helping mind control and other manipulation researches. They might have finished their practice within cults or closed space, and now they have to do the research in the open space such as city or the planet level due to the satellite communication advantage.

2. To make covert research easier without informed consents. This is the same reason as how RFID tags were implanted into UFO abductees. If the researchers want to ask for volunteer, they would get protesting against the research from the public. By doing it against certain socially-unnecessary-looking individuals, they have less risk including exposure to foreign researchers or health effect on the individual. MKULTRA was done in the same way but in the closed place, inside of hospitals.

3. Lebensraum - the political and economic advantage for the chosen few. By controlling the mass with their technologies, the authorities can avoid any unpredictable conflict that would threaten their position. In case of war, the mesmerize of the public is important to get enough solders and support for the war. I think the Japanese Self Defense Force is engaged in this as they are looking for the new recruits for military expansion.


These are very good assessments.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Some insights on Targetting Reply with quote

vijaykarthic wrote:
On my analysis I believe that the gang stalking, electronic harassment and others are just tools used by the law and enforcement agencies to perform prevention or interventions or etc. These tools which don’t leave any evidence which is admissible in the present day court around the world are good opportunity for the law and enforcement agencies to control or disable the targets who cannot be prosecuted by the law. By this law and enforcement agencies can control or disable the targets by the pain incurred on them, this makes them easy targets for the law and enforcement agencies. Under the state of pain and disorientation of targets the law and enforcement agencies can perform easy investigation or prevention (if they believe that the targets are threat to the security).

Since the tool is very effective (that is, there is no legal obligation or limitation) the law and enforcement agencies can use this tool on targets those who are classified as potential threat, even the evidence of threat are not appreciable. The law and enforcement agencies can use the tool on any number of people given that the people are classified as potential threat. This makes even the innocent people like us to be the victim of harassment (non conventional torture).

Apart from the above advantages when target appeals to the government that the person is undergoing harassment the government labels the person as paranoid to suppers the appealing person from future appeals. These appeals might attract the attention of media and popularly become a conspiracy of the government on its own citizens. Hence government suppresses the appeals. Further it is the government (the law and enforcement agencies play a dominant role in the government) who does the harassment and when the victim appeals to the government it rejects the appeals in many forms (judistriction becomes biased on government). To disorient the public and the targets of harassment, the government makes them believe different irrational conspiracy theories and the irrational conspiracy theories being the reason of the harassment. This disorientation takes the consensus of targeted individuals away thereby preventing a combined action by the targeted individuals against the harassment.


It's just used for control. Many aspects of this are just about control. Period.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Some insights on Targetting Reply with quote

vijaykarthic wrote:
Apart from the above advantages when target appeals to the government that the person is undergoing harassment the government labels the person as paranoid to suppers the appealing person from future appeals.


Chinese use a strategy to claim the revolutionary people and dissidents as "mentally ill." This is a part of their counterrevolutionary practice, and I learned this information in "Anthropology of Asia" class at San Jose State University. The professor taught me this information in her classroom actually practice it in the United States. Because of her false claim, I was sent to mental hospital on my way to a class. I brought the harassment case to the ombudsman of SJSU in the previous semester, then I filed about the case with SJSU university police. This is the fact I have before the university claimed me as suicidal. The people became whistlebrowers can categorized as mentally ill in the United States. Nothing much difference from what Chinese do, I guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: All those communist countries use this. Reply with quote

This is no different that Russia, China, but when those countries did those types of things the west was on them, and we were denouncing their actions, how the worm has turned.
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